Nepal is not a Hindu land for Hinduism to claim its crown
Excerpts of an article by Prakash Bom,
“The devastating consequence of this school (Mimansa that advocates Vedic rituals and rites) on humanity is the caste system that sprung from Vedic spiritual attribution ‘varna’ as hereditary system of social stratification. No rationalist or humanist can justify the place of untouchable ’sudras’ in Hindu caste system. Unfortunately, the untouchable conditions of Dallits ’sudras’ are still prevalent in Hindu hereditary system of social stratification. It is a shame on those Hindu religious leaders who see the flaw in their social stratification system against humanity yet do nothing about it. Those leaders who sustain caste system have committed human rights violations in Hindu society. “
“The Nepali people have been the victim of the caste system for the last two hundred and fifty years under the reign of the Hindu monarchy. Vedic rituals and rites were restricted to be practiced by the untouchable. Only the members of the upper caste were allowed to practice Vedic rituals and rites. What kind of Hinduism was given to people to practice? Obviously not enlightening, but superstitious, animal sacrifice, idol worshipping - the grossest of all. “
“What was Nepal before the reign of Hindu monarchy? It was the cushion for Buddhist scholars from China, Tibet and India. It was the birthplace of Buddha who discarded the varna-jatti of Veda for social stratification. It was the kingdom of Licchivi and Malla dynasties whose rulers were dedicated to teachings of Buddha. “
“Nepal is a country of multi-culture and multi-religion. The ethnicity is her inherent existence. Nepal, therefore, cannot afford a reign whose rule is based on one religion, one language however democratic. The Nepali people have had carried that burden for so long and now are unwilling to carry that any longer. “
“The aspiration of Nepali people is for secular republic state and we have already laid the cornerstone of it. Now we are committed to building it with restructuring nation by abolishing all Hindu feudal oligarchic establishments.”
“The Nepali people have demonstrated with the historic mandate of people’s movement to institutionalize the (humanistic) democratic value that separates state affairs from the interference of religion. This is a very significant achievement of Nepali people to secure their nation’s sovereignty in them. “
“No religion has the right to interfere in the affairs of the secular state unless they have power to crusade the war against it. The contemporary Hindu leaders’ desire for political power is against the principle of their religion. With their lack of religious integrity, if they are serious to crusade against the will of the Nepali people, then people can demonstrate their strength to wipe out such elements from the land of Nepal. “
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“What was Nepal before the reign of Hindu monarchy? It was the cushion for Buddhist scholars from China, Tibet and India. It was the birthplace of Buddha who discarded the varna-jatti of Veda for social stratification. It was the kingdom of Licchivi and Malla dynasties whose rulers were dedicated to teachings of Buddha. “
—Nepal was a Hindu Kingdom even before Buddha was born. So, your comment above is just an eve wash. In Ramayana, it is mentioned that the present day Nepal came under the Kosala kingdom. Check your dammed facts first.
You can not say that Hinduism is completely wrong just because it has a single wrong principle-the caste system. In fact, if you look closely, you will find that Buddha has drawn on many principles from nirvana, aatman etc from Hinduism.
Hello Hindubadis,
All the greatness of Hinduism gets overshadowed by a single, the most inhumane practice of caste discrimination among the Hindus. Unless and untill it is corrected, no point bragging about it.
“Buddha has drawn on many principles from nirvana, aatman etc from Hinduism.”
The concept of ‘Nirvana’ is an orginal Buddhist concept. In later ‘Hinduism’ (later than Budddhism) there is concept ‘moksha’, which is quite a lot influenced by the concept ‘nirvana’. Buddhism is teaching ‘anatman’ doctrine. The doctrine of ‘non-atman’. In an old Buddhist text it is told the beginning of the ignorance is the belief on ‘atman’.
“In Ramayana, it is mentioned that the present day Nepal came under the Kosala kingdom.”
Ramayana is not a historical book, but a mythological book. It is true, however that there was some kind of kingdom in the area, where Buddha was born. But we don’t know if the people there were any believers of ‘Hinduism’ there. That kind of ‘Hinduism’ as we know it at present didn’t exits. Maybe people were believers of more ancient ‘Buddhism’ as Buddhist mythology is suggesting.
(By the way I’m a life member no 1441 of the Maha Bodhi Society of India)
Christianity is the only answer for Dalits. It has equality among people. There is only one son of GOD (Jesus Christ), who died for our sin by the cross. Amen!
Bik
Dalit christianity is for us, the Dalitjat (Mahan Jat)
“Buddha has drawn on many principles from nirvana, aatman etc from Hinduism.”
The concept of ‘Nirvana’ is an orginal Buddhist concept. In later ‘Hinduism’ (later than Budddhism) there is concept ‘moksha’, which is quite a lot influenced by the concept ‘nirvana’. Buddhism is teaching ‘anatman’ doctrine. The doctrine of ‘non-atman’. In an old Buddhist text it is told the beginning of the ignorance is the belief on ‘atman’.
“In Ramayana, it is mentioned that the present day Nepal came under the Kosala kingdom.”
Ramayana is not a historical book, but a mythological book. It is true, however that there was some kind of kingdom in the area, where Buddha was born. But we don’t know if the people there were any believers of ‘Hinduism’ there. That kind of ‘Hinduism’ as we know it at present didn’t exits. Maybe people were believers of more ancient ‘Buddhism’ as Buddhist mythology is suggesting.
(By the way I’m a life member no 1441 of the Maha Bodhi Society of India)
You have no Idea what you are talking about. Moksha came most likely before Buddhism.”
Buddhism was just one of the spiritual paths among many (63) at the time. To claim that Hindus adopted it from Buddhism is a myth bieng propogared by psuedo Buddhists which was started by Ambedkar.
Also, Buddhism is a very complex religion much like Hinduism. The fact is that religions in India are so intertwined that it is very difficult for one to say what came from what. The terms Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism did not exist until western scholars began studying the religions of India.
hey based their differences on the fact that Budhhism and Jainism were atheistic while Hinduism was thiestic.
Also, the Ramayana was an old historical tale. If you claim Ramayana not to be historical one can make the same claim about the Jataka tales of Buddha and Buddhists scripturs- they can easily be taken as myth. Plus no one really knows for sure if there was a Buddha as the dating of his bith seem to differ drastically in every area of India and other countries. Plus there was a series of some 28 different Buddhas and it is not known which Buddha contributed what.
So before you go bashing Hinduism you need to rethink.
Over all, I agree that Hinduism need to fix society and fix the unhumane casts system. Even Lord Krishna says in the Gita that all must see every living entity with an equal eye. Krishna spoke the truth.
Hannu Virtanen
You have no Idea what you are talking about. Moksha came most likely before Buddhism.”
Buddhism was just one of the spiritual paths among many (63) at the time. To claim that Hindus adopted it from Buddhism is a myth bieng propogared by psuedo Buddhists which was started by Ambedkar.
Also, Buddhism is a very complex religion much like Hinduism. The fact is that religions in India are so intertwined that it is very difficult for one to say what came from what. The terms Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism did not exist until western scholars began studying the religions of India.
hey based their differences on the fact that Budhhism and Jainism were atheistic while Hinduism was thiestic.
Also, the Ramayana was an old historical tale. If you claim Ramayana not to be historical one can make the same claim about the Jataka tales of Buddha and Buddhists scripturs- they can easily be taken as myth. Plus no one really knows for sure if there was a Buddha as the dating of his bith seem to differ drastically in every area of India and other countries. Plus there was a series of some 28 different Buddhas and it is not known which Buddha contributed what.
So before you go bashing Hinduism you need to rethink.
Over all, I agree that Hinduism need to fix society and fix the unhumane casts system. Even Lord Krishna says in the Gita that all must see every living entity with an equal eye. Krishna spoke the truth.
“You have no Idea what you are talking about.”
I’ve studied these things more than twenty years.
I know quite well most of the recent and old theories concerning the origins of Hinduism and Buddhism.
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“Moksha came most likely before Buddhism.
Buddhism was just one of the spiritual paths among many (63) at the time. To claim that Hindus adopted it from Buddhism is a myth bieng propogared by psuedo Buddhists which was started by Ambedkar.”
You are right that there were many spiritual paths during that time. We as well know that there is no mention about ‘moksha’ and such things in Veda literature. It came into Hinduism later. Most scholars agree that it started to appear in the texts as ‘G about thwe same time as Buddhism became influential.
Buddhism became later to be by far the most influential of old spiritual paths. Buddhists as well developed early very large and advanced philosophical literatures. Many scholars have got the opinion that it is likely that the idea of ‘moksha’ came into Hinduism from Buddhism, because Buddhism was the religion which was the influential one in that time. Ambedkar Buddhism has got very little to do with the research on the history of Buddhism and Hinduism.
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“Also, Buddhism is a very complex religion much like Hinduism. The fact is that religions in India are so intertwined that it is very difficult for one to say what came from what. The terms Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism did not exist until western scholars began studying the religions of India.”
You are right that Buddhism is a very complex religion. The term ‘Buddhism’ existed much before western scholars started to study Buddhism in India. The term existed almost everywhere in Asia, where Buddhism spread from India. You might know that almost the whole India was as well Buddhist during the time of the king Ashoka. Buddhism almost disappeared from India later, but lived well in some other countries in Asia.
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“They based their differences on the fact that Budhhism and Jainism were atheistic while Hinduism was thiestic.”
That is just one difference. There are other philosophical differences. For example Buddhism has against the caste system.
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“Also, the Ramayana was an old historical tale. If you claim Ramayana not to be historical one can make the same claim about the Jataka tales of Buddha and Buddhists scripturs- they can easily be taken as myth. Plus no one really knows for sure if there was a Buddha as the dating of his bith seem to differ drastically in every area of India and other countries. Plus there was a series of some 28 different Buddhas and it is not known which Buddha contributed what.”
You are right that most of those old texts are just myths. But nowadays we are quite sure that Buddha lived one day. Besides his historical existence we know quite little real about him. About the historical existence of the Hindu heroes like Rama we know nothing. They might have lived one day, might not.
I know quite well about Jataka stories and about the stories of the past Buddhas.
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So before you go bashing Hinduism you need to rethink.
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Hinduism has got many problems. Buddhism has got as well problems. But I think that as a societal theory of the structure of the society Buddhism is in general more advanced than Hinduism.
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“Over all, I agree that Hinduism need to fix society and fix the unhumane casts system. Even Lord Krishna says in the Gita that all must see every living entity with an equal eye. Krishna spoke the truth.”
Gita is a quite nice text in its many parts. There are many different ideas in that text. It is probably composed of texts written by different people. Some of the parts are almost exactly the same as the famous contemporary Buddhist text, ‘Dhammapada’.